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      <title>Hi I&#8217;m new here&#8230; and looking to evolve Christianity</title>
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      <published>2012-04-30T02:53:59Z</published>
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        <p>Greetings PCN&#8217;ers.</p>

<p>I have a progressive blog in the states and I wanted to do a little networking with you all.&nbsp;  It&#8217;s at <a href="http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/index.php?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eacology.com">http://www.eacology.com</a>. </p>

<p>About 50% of my articles seek to open the minds of religious Christian fundamentalists, and help folks evolve ideas and solve problems of spiritual significance (here&#8217;s a sample about Adam &amp; Eve: <a href="http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/index.php?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eacology.com%2F2012%2F03%2Fadam-and-eve-real-true.html">http://www.eacology.com/2012/03/adam-and-eve-real-true.html</a> ) The other 50% are more lighthearted attempts to build unity, tolerance, and empowerment across humanity. </p>

<p>Looking forward to chatting with you all more.</p>

<p>&nbsp; -Eric
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      <title>Faith  into Action&#63;&#63;</title>
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        <p>The September 2008 Newsletter contained an essay by Philip Sudworth on Point 8 which he entitled &#8220;Faith into Action&#8221;. Part of what he wrote is reproduced below with permission.<br />
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How do you respond to his assessment? Is he right in commenting,&#8221;<i>PCN will come of age when its focus moves from what we believe to what we are going to do about it,</i>&#8221; or should PCN remain fundamentally as a discussion forum?<br />
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<p><i><b>&#8220;Faith into Action</b><br />
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&#8220;I am quite sure that the discussion groups serve a very useful purpose in supporting forward thinking Christians, who often feel isolated within traditional churches, and in introducing them to writers, teachers and scholars who will help them to take their thinking further.&nbsp; I know from personal experience that, after struggling with faith for years amongst those who have simple, unquestioning, traditional beliefs, it is very comforting to realize that one is not alone and that there are many others on the same quest with whom one can be open about doubts and dreams.<br />
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&#8220;Yet, if our approach to God is truly to be through the life and teachings of Jesus, we must realize that faith is far more about challenge and commitment than feeling comfortable.&nbsp; While coming to a personal position on theological points is important in establishing our individual integrity, it is only when this is translated into action on behalf of others that it begins to have real value.&nbsp; To paraphrase James 2:17: “It doesn’t matter how modern your faith is. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.”</p>

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&#8220;Of course, PCN members will all be active in a wide variety of charity work as part of their discipleship, but how many of them are doing this in their role as a PCN member or feel that they are “equipped” or even supported by PCN, practically or spiritually, in the work they are called to carry out?&nbsp; <br />
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&#8220;The reason I have remained within my local evangelical Methodist church, despite being told frequently that I am not a Christian, is because it provides a societal framework through which I have been able to respond much more effectively to local community needs than I ever could as a lone searcher after truth.&nbsp; PCN may keep me spiritually sane, but it is the traditional church that supports me in expressing my faith practically, even as it reiterates that good deeds will avail me nothing without the ‘right’ beliefs.<br />
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&#8220;PCN will come of age when its focus moves from what we believe to what we are going to do about it.&nbsp; This would probably involve a change in its mission statement from “to promote and support open and contemporary Christian understanding” to something like “to provide encouragement, support and training for open and contemporary Christian discipleship.”&nbsp;  Then its conferences and courses will spend far less time in differentiating itself from conventional Christianity and far more on practical issues.&nbsp; How do we communicate our modern thinking to the great majority who don’t read theology without appearing to debunk Christianity totally?&nbsp; What words of comfort do we give to the dying and the bereaved, if we don’t believe in a traditional Heaven?&nbsp; What are we actually going to do to carry out the mission Jesus declared - struggling for justice for the oppressed, ministering to the broken-hearted, supporting and encouraging the poor and giving those leading restricted lives new horizons?&nbsp;  How do we bring hope to a European continent that is increasingly rapidly losing faith?<br />
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&#8220;From my experience churches don’t become communities because the people share the same beliefs or participate in worship together but when its members care for each other.&nbsp; The best way of engendering the spirit of community is to work together on some project that is focused outside the church.&nbsp; We need to look at how we make our local PCN groups much more than talking shops.<br />
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&#8220;In PCN we have to be more passionate about people than points of theology, we need to see ourselves as doers rather than doubters, and we must express our liberalism through the way we love and live.&nbsp; It is then that we become true followers of Jesus and can justifiably begin the Eight Points with - &#8216;We are Christians.&#8217;&#8221;</i><br />
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      <title>Swindon now has an affiliated group</title>
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      <published>2012-03-27T13:36:28Z</published>
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        <p>PCN Britain is pleased to welcome a group based in Swindon to the network.&nbsp; They&#8217;ve been meeting together for some time, but after a visit from PCN chair, John Churcher, decided to join the network of groups.&nbsp; They meet on the second Tuesday of each month, and the convenor, Marian Evans, can be contacted on 01793 528864.&nbsp; More details at <a href="http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/index.php?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcnbritain.org.uk%2Findex.php%2Flocations%2Fgroups%2Fswindon%2F">http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/index.php/locations/groups/swindon/</a>
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      <title>Where is PCN headed&#63;</title>
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        <p>Where is pcn headed?&nbsp; I was very surprised to read in an email from PCN that a press release has been issued on the subject of gay marriage. John Churcher acknowledges that it represents his own opinion, defending this by saying that he has had no opportunity to ‘sound out the membership’.&nbsp; He goes on to say that ‘all members of PCN Britain will have an opportunity to take part in our own consultation so that we can make an authoritative submission on behalf of our membership’. The word which jumps out at me here is ‘authoritative’. John Churcher continues by saying that if approached by the media he will quote from the ‘eight points’. Has PCN become the ‘Church of the Eight Points’?&nbsp; This seems far removed from PCN’s charitable purpose as clearly defined: ‘to promote and support open and contemporary Christian understanding’. I have no wish for our Chairman to make an ‘authoritative submission’ on my behalf. I will be tendering my resignation shortly.
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      <title>Equal civil marriage consultation</title>
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      <published>2012-03-16T15:43:21Z</published>
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        <p>With so much of the church against this I think it is time for progressive voices to be heard. <br />
Any one can do so using the like below.&nbsp; <br />
<a href="http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/index.php?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.homeoffice.gov.uk%2Fpublications%2Fabout-us%2Fconsultations%2Fequal-civil-marriage%2F">http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/about-us/consultations/equal-civil-marriage/</a> </p>

<p>Please find the time for this.
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      <title>New Wine</title>
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        <p>New Wine – William Barclay’s Commentary on Matthew 9:16-17</p>

<p>“No-one, said Jesus, tries to put new wine into old wine-skins.&nbsp; To put this into modern terms: our minds must be elastic enough to receive and contain new ideas.&nbsp; The history of progress is the history of overcoming the prejudices of the shut mind. Every new idea has had to fight for its existence against the instinctive opposition of the human mind.&nbsp; The motor car, the railway train, the aeroplane were in the beginning regarded with suspicion.&nbsp; Simpson had to fight to introduce chloroform, and Lister had to struggle to introduce antiseptics into the work of the doctor and surgeon. Copernicus was compelled to retract his statement that the earth went round the sun, and not the sun round the earth.&nbsp; Even Jonas Hanway who brought the umbrella to this country had to suffer a barrage of missiles and insults when he first walked down the street with an umbrella.</p>

<p>“Within the church this resentment of the new is chronic, and the attempt to pour new things into old moulds is almost universal.&nbsp; We attempt to pour the activities of a modern congregation into an ancient church building that was never meant for them.&nbsp; We attempt to pour the truth of new discoveries into creeds which are based on Greek metaphysics.&nbsp; We attempt to pour modern instruction into outworn language which cannot express it.&nbsp; It may be that we would do well to remember that when any living thing stops growing, it starts dying.&nbsp; It may be that we need to pray that God would deliver us from the shut mind and give us the open mind.&nbsp; </p>

<p>“Viscount Samuel was born in 1870 and he begins his autobiography with a description of the London of his childhood.&nbsp; ‘We had no cars or buses or tube trains; there were no bicycles – except the high penny-farthings; there were no electric light or telephones; no cinemas or broadcasts.’&nbsp; We are living in a changing and an expanding and a growing world.&nbsp; These verses are Jesus’ warning that the church dare not be the only institution which still lives in the past.”</p>

<p>Footnote<br />
William Barclay wrote this commentary in 1956, over 50 years ago.&nbsp; Just think how much society, our awareness of the world around us, our use of technology and our knowledge of the vastness and complexity of the universe have all changed in the five decades since then  - and how little the church has changed.&nbsp; In the early days of the car, a law was passed in 1865 that a man had to walk 55 metres in front of a car with a red flag and the speed restriction in towns was 2 mph.&nbsp; What’s the equivalent of the Red Flag Act within the church?&nbsp; Philip Sudworth
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      <title>New Group in Newcastle on Tyne</title>
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      <published>2012-02-06T16:06:17Z</published>
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        <p>PCN Britain is please to welcome a new group to the network.&nbsp; The group is geing launched on Monday 13th February, 2012, 7.30pm, at St Thomas the Martyr Church, Haymarket, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7PF, (Near the Central Bus Station and Haymarket Metro).</p>

<p>The convenor is Pat McCullock, (pat dot mccullock at pcnbritain dot org dot uk,0191 2963727).&nbsp; She informs us that the group we will be following ‘Living the Questions 2’ set of DVDs. The initial aim is to meet on the 2nd Monday of each month. <br />
It is hoped that the DVDs will lead to an open-minded discussion which allows questions about the traditional understanding of the Christian faith.</p>

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The aim of setting up the group is to create a space where we may:<br />
• Have support and openness.<br />
• Be ourselves and meet others with enquiring minds<br />
• Discuss progressive Christianity<br />
• Express views and ask questions without fear of ridicule or condemnation<br />
• Have a sense of belonging<br />
• Have the freedom to remain silent<br />
• Network with other groups who share these aims<br />
All those looking for such a group will be warmly welcomed.<br />
Please contact Pat for any more information or if you are interested but cannot come on to the first meeting on 13th February.
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      <title>for those who have trouble with Jesus as the second person of God</title>
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      <published>2010-10-24T14:55:45Z</published>
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        <p><a href="http://www.pcnbritain.org.uk/index.php?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukunitarians.org.uk%2Fchristian%2Findex.htm">http://www.ukunitarians.org.uk/christian/index.htm</a></p>

<p>Following Jesus doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean accepting the tradition that was chosen around three hundred years after Jesus&#8217; death - that he was so different, he must have been the incarnation of God.&nbsp; People who follow the teachings of Jesus rather then the teachings about Jesus often call themselves &#8220;Unitarian&#8221;, once an insult, now worn with pride.&nbsp; Try out the website and see if any of the perspectives there suit you.&nbsp; The next edition of the Herald is due online any day and talks about the role of sacraments.</p>

<p>Lucy Harris
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      <title>Japan 2011</title>
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        <p>It didn&#8217;t take too long but YouTube and the blogsphere is now alive with talk of Divine action causing the Japan earthquake and subsequent tsunami. Now, normal people realise it&#8217;s unthinking plate techtonics, so how do we counter the John Piper&#8217;s of this world who although they can&#8217;t explain why it happened, they can explain who caused it - God. </p>

<p>Is there a progressive Christian &#8216;take&#8217; on events such as this? Is there a more reasonable and compassionate repines? If anyone knows cam you enlighten?</p>

<p>Simon
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      <title>Management Committee Appointments</title>
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I have just received the latest PCN Newsletter and it looks like a really strong edition full of thought.<br />
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I&#8217;ve read John Churcher&#8217;s &#8220;Letter from the Chair&#8221;, who informs us that two members of the management committee will be stepping down.&nbsp; May I suggest that the current board look at ways of encouraging younger people (at least under 40) to stand for committee membership.&nbsp; Ways of ensuring a person who is bringing up a family and in full time (secular) employment can be included in the functions of the management committee might also need to be considered.<br />
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Progressive Christians are making themselves known and PCN is growing, but sadly, active membership appears to be overwhelmingly over a certain age, which was attested to when I went to see Bishop Spong speak in Sheffield. In spite of being in the heart of Sheffield&#8217;s student quarter, I may have been the youngest there (at 26 at the time, now 27) who was not involved in the actual running of the event.&nbsp; It meant that whole generations of life experience were not there to hear Bishop Spong and younger people&#8217;s insight and world views are lacking as PCN at large develops.<br />
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Furthermore, where could we even begin on the subject of PCN members from BME backgrounds?<br />
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(Minor grammatical errors altered by the author - 23/12)
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